tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post4814421647846310410..comments2023-12-30T07:37:01.417-08:00Comments on Regular Joe: The Redlegs of Barbados - Cromwell's Irish "Slaves" & The Last Emperor of Byzantium. Josef O'Sheahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16395589504706311414noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-89717379121635839212017-08-29T18:46:15.055-07:002017-08-29T18:46:15.055-07:00My great uncle, 13th generation barbadian, used to...My great uncle, 13th generation barbadian, used to tell me about poor white people living in caves in St John but I never met one and never heard about them being particularly Irish.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348826782816710449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-42363038234918037532016-09-28T10:21:34.109-07:002016-09-28T10:21:34.109-07:00A great read! Thanks for posting, Josef!A great read! Thanks for posting, Josef!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-88943624030526640382016-06-20T13:03:43.369-07:002016-06-20T13:03:43.369-07:00It's quite weird to think that you can travel ...It's quite weird to think that you can travel all over the island without knowing of the existence of these people. I certainly didn't until after I saw a documentary on Scottish tv. I think it would be good for the Irish and Scottish governments to recognize these unfortunate people who are obviously living in abject poverty. Why are there no Barbadian social workers getting involved?Margarethttp://gmailnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-80891669397369619482016-05-03T01:43:02.718-07:002016-05-03T01:43:02.718-07:00Hi - thanks for commentating - the reason I am bei...Hi - thanks for commentating - the reason I am being careful is that a) the Irish had the prospect -after sever years or so - of freedom from their indenture - the African slaves did not and worked in far more brutal conditions and b) there has been an attempt by a range of people - including rascists and apoligists for slavery - to equate the "white" Irish experience to the African experience - to say that "well the Irish were slaves and they don't complain about it today" - so one has to be careful, not to feed those views - which are basically historical bunk - thanks again - joeJosef O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395589504706311414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-60707503305691192622016-04-29T11:14:36.929-07:002016-04-29T11:14:36.929-07:00Hi, Josef... I really found this a fascinating rea...Hi, Josef... I really found this a fascinating read and find, good job. I'm trying to look into my own ancestry and the history of the Scot's, as my mother is a white lady from Fife. The interesting thing is! on my fathers side I have ancestry to St Kitts and Nevis, know he would be classed as an Afro Caribbean. Tracing Scottish history led me to this article. And in a round about way, straight back to looking at my so called Afro-Caribbean lineage... Anyway my point is this, you opened the article in a highly apologetic way i.e , as if you have no right to speak of slavery from an Irish prospective. So, following on from ''MrsRipko''... why are the Irish uncomfortable to tell their story in the same context? slavery is slavery... being an indentured servant is a different thing completely. By my own terminology, and with me having blood links to both sides of the coin, Its plainly obvious to me that with your use of the term indentured servant you are only fooling yourself of the extent of brutality Cromwell served up to the Irish. I understand how complex this history is because its full of historic disagreement. Thou by using the indentured servant term you are yourself confusing and differentiating the topic. The Jacobites where sent to Barbadose, and Half to St Kitts and Nevis as the spoils of war, which is pretty much exactly the same story as the West African ''indentured servants'' (yes I'm joking) as most that where captured where captured originally by tribes as ''indentured servants''... when they got on them ships what was presented, was a completely whole new kettle of fish <br />''Pure Slavery'' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-22981571110210575242016-03-08T13:12:28.725-08:002016-03-08T13:12:28.725-08:00Hi, if you are in Barbados - your best bet are par...Hi, if you are in Barbados - your best bet are parish records, as far as I know - JoeJosef O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395589504706311414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-86119231884770083092016-03-04T14:30:10.499-08:002016-03-04T14:30:10.499-08:00I'm looking for my daddy roots. He was ecky Be...I'm looking for my daddy roots. He was ecky Becky living in St John. His last name was Coddington.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15352006552295499495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-22108618335165370092015-10-09T18:40:21.580-07:002015-10-09T18:40:21.580-07:00Thank you for a well written blog on the subject. ...Thank you for a well written blog on the subject. My grandmother came to America from county cork. She was a strong stern woman.she wasn't one to tolerate moaning, had no patience for those who suffered in their own misery. She told me many times about these ships being loaded up at the docks with children and woman slaves bound for America. She said, the English masters forbid the indentured Irish servents from dance, card and game playing. They were not permitted to walk about, were whipped, starved often would die in slavery. As a child in the 70's I would often ask why no one knew about it or talked about it? This was not something learned in american schools. She would always reply it was not right or fare to share your misery because of the blacks who suffered a far worse plight, be thankful you're alive pet. My Dad's Irish ancestors came way back. I don't know when but, we traced his line back to the Revolution the boy was just 11 when " honored " as being the youngest bugle boy in the war. My family on both sides loved America and did what it took to hold on to our Irish heritage. I don't care what these historians say about it, I believe my nana. It is just so unsettling to hear this become the news of the day. After years of keeping our mouths shut out of respect for the suffering of African Americans. To have Irish scholars writing and minimizing this history. I do not agree with the whites who say it as a reply to a black person to stop an argument on slavery. I have not done this myself but, when i do hear the blacks say, often "Your People" or "You are to blame for enslaving blacks". I will not OWN what those people did as "my people" just because,I am white. I know who my people are, I know my heritage. I know the House of Burgesses and The Governor's counsel met in secret to make laws for the colonies and special laws for the Irish and worse laws for the black slaves. This is all political correct non sense we cant say Irish slaves now but who the hell knows what indentured servant really means for the people who did this their wasn't much of a difference was there.MrsRipkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015025031746213137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-68002105916605422782015-09-29T04:46:37.931-07:002015-09-29T04:46:37.931-07:00Hiya, there are Fenty's in Ireland - and varia...Hiya, there are Fenty's in Ireland - and variations of that - including Fenton.Josef O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395589504706311414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-49356424632440020042015-09-24T17:53:22.878-07:002015-09-24T17:53:22.878-07:00Have been tracing my roots for many years, my Gran...Have been tracing my roots for many years, my Grandfather, a Fenty was born in Barbados and my research has taken me there and to Scotland, an area near Bamff. I just returned and went to an area called Easter Whyntie, one other spelling of Fenty. There are other spellings, Fentie, Fynty, Foyntie, Fintie, what happens is in different areas the name is the same and pronunciation differs. There are Fenty's in Aberdeen, Edinburgh, and other areas of the North. Yours is the first that i have heard of Ireland. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168978023523686606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-86121599847009985882015-08-23T12:30:52.235-07:002015-08-23T12:30:52.235-07:00Hi - I realise they are still around - though I ha...Hi - I realise they are still around - though I have seen reports where there may be as few as 400 "true" Redlegs still on the island - my point on them being out of time is that who they are and how they came to be on the island may not necessarily fit easily into modern day Barbados - joe Josef O'Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16395589504706311414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3474413219292148932.post-59078258651324222022015-08-21T07:18:45.005-07:002015-08-21T07:18:45.005-07:00Your last conclusion "now very much out of ti...Your last conclusion "now very much out of time and place" was voiced 150 years ago and repeated by various commentators, but in the 21st century that sub group is still very much around.Karl Watsonnoreply@blogger.com